We realize that most Americans didn’t vote for Trump (only 49.8%) and that most of those who did probably didn’t understand what tariffs are and how they work and we realize that Trump’s action and our response are going to hurt poor Americans, and poor Americans in red states more than others, but we’re not going to take illegal tariffs sitting down.
Just a reminder who Trump is pissing off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHSaHRd4Q48
https://www.911memorial.org/connect/blog/lend-hand-do-what-you-can-remembering-generosity-gander
American here. Please keep doing this.
^ Another American here; and I second this notion! ^
We should do this in America, too, and for all sports.
Yes, Please.
That 49.8% is misleading - it implies that 49.8% of the country support him, but it counts only the votes that were actually cast. He only got votes from about 30% of eligible voters.
Of course we can’t know who all those non-voters wanted to win, but I’d rather not imply that nearly half of all americans voted for him.
Of course we can’t know who all those non-voters wanted to win, but I’d rather not imply that nearly half of all americans voted for him.
Who gives a shit? Those non-voters made an active choice to not matter. Makes sense to respect that choice and ignore their existence.
People always bring this up as if it’s some indication that things arent quite as bad as they seem. Why? Americans chose this in every way that matters.
Keep in mind that quite a lot of those people are lower class citizens who can’t afford to take a day off work to vote. If you’re living paycheck to paycheck, not getting one day of pay can be crippling.
Sure, it’s easy to say they should bear the cost to save the nation, but none of us are feeding their kids or paying their bills. And it isn’t us who go homeless because they voted.
While I’m sure this is true for many, where I live early voting is super easy and convenient. I’m willing to bet the vast majority of people that did not vote could very easily have done so, they just didn’t for non logistical reasons.
Regardless of that; another shenanigan exists for those who did make it to the polls; Gerrymandering.
Yes; it’s horrid as it sounds and it limits the voting power of lower class people, as well as the power of people who are considered to be “ethnic minorities” by the party in power. If there’s a neighborhood of blacks next to a poor neighborhood; well both find themselves districted together and their cumulative votes are diminished by how the votes are counted by district such that a 2-3 victory for Democrats; is actually counted as a 2-3 victory for the Republicans…all because the Republicans were already in power somehow and managed to re-district the place so that the vote result never changes anything…unless the unlikely event that all three neighborhoods choose to vote the same way occurs.
Yet another shenanigan exists where voting rolls are frequently “purged” due to false assertions of fraud and onerous and routine registration becomes necessary, which isn’t a problem if you don’t work full-time in the USA; but good luck getting a day off work if you do work full-time and need to vote. (Hint: YOU DON’T; OR ELSE YOU GET FIRED WITH NO RECOURSE!)
Even if that wasn’t enough already; many times the voting times, locations, dates and even rules change from year-to-year, and sometimes even month-to-month.
What worked this time might not work next time. From ID requirements to ballot order manipulation or even other flat out shady practices like misleading or leading poll questions on the ballot are all employed.
The media is even worse; and frequently spouts simple and blatant lies. they could literally be absolutely passionate about their issue in particular and still end up being misled or lied to; as there’s no accountability for this. This would result in mistakenly casting a vote for the wrong candidate who would then go on to not represent the will or needs of the citizens voting for them once they’re in power.
The average American, just simply can’t always be on top of every one of these things 24/7. It’s easy to get taken by any one of them by surprise.
I wouldn’t be so sure. It’s a time honored tradition for red states to make it significantly more difficult to vote. Shutting down voting locations in busy (so blue) areas, not accepting mail in votes, etc.
The red state I live in does not do this. Anecdotal of course
You don’t think there’s any problem with using only your viewpoint and experience as a guide for judging the entire nation?
Yep, which is why I pointed out that it’s anecdotal. But I’m also seeing a bunch of comments that are just generalizations with no actual sources. So my anecdote has some value at least.
I would have early voted if I knew I could. I legitimately didn’t know that was an option for myself until if was over. I thankfully was able to go on voting day, so it’s ok. But for the first time in my voting life, I never received my voting pamphlet with all the usual info as well as my voting location. I had to look everything up and that really made me mad. So I could easily understand some people legitimately missing their opportunity to vote because they weren’t provided the information to be able to get out there and do it.
where i live, voting is not necessarily easy or convenient for folks relying on public transport. that much harder if they are, say, a working single parent living below the poverty level. and my work involves talking to people like this every day - there are millions like them.
Do you think they would have voted if somebody drove them from their house to the polling place and back home? What would they need in order to convince them to vote? Mail in ballots? Polling places within X distance of their house? Anything else?
I’m sure it’s the cynic in me, but I just think that the people staying home just don’t care enough to actually vote. If they did, they would figure out a way to do so.
For instance, a working single parent below the poverty level probably knows that voting for the millionaire over the billionaire is not going to impact their life, so why bother wasting time voting?
to your last point, you’re not wrong. a lot of people are so fucked they know it doesn’t really matter, and i won’t blame them for the state of the nation.
You got paid leave right?
And even so why would you need to take a day of to vote? We have over a 100 people we can vote for here in NL and we often do it before or after work
Paid leave is great, for people who work full time jobs that offer it. Not all full time jobs do, and no part time jobs offer it at all. Tell me, do you have the statistics of how many people in the US get paid leave? As for voting before work, how do you do that when you have to work multiple jobs to survive? Where I live, there’s only one voting location for a whole medium population city, and the wait was about four hours, and the line was several blocks long. You weren’t allowed to leave the line without losing your place, and you weren’t allowed to bring food or water to anyone in line.
Republicans make it as hard as possible to vote. So while I’m glad you live in a state where voting is easy, it’s a bit selfish for you guys to imagine everyone has it as well as you do. We don’t. Not to mention, it’s a bit ableist to insist everyone is even capable for standing in line for the amount of time some people reported last November. And with Trump in power again, next election, if we even have one, is going to be that much harder. Mail in and early voting is probably going to be curtailed or abolished in many red states. New federal rules will likely be enacted, and I have no doubt that voting locations are going to get even scarcer. Fewer people will be able to vote next election, and it’s not because those people don’t care, it’s because that’s the whole point of everything fascists do.
Excuse me for my ignorance, i keep forgetting the US only acts like it’s a first world country to the outside world, but it is basically a shit hole in the mean time.
Most of these things I couldn’t know and we get a lot of news about the US here in NL.
Voting here takes like 10 minutes and there are multiple voting locations available. A town with 2k people will have 2 or 3 voting locations and you can also vote in other cities.
Edit: I was not talking about freelance work, but parttimes on contract, they get paid leave as well
Oh, part time workers don’t get any benefits here at all. Not even health insurance. And contract workers aren’t even classified as employees, which is why a lot of corps like Uber classify their workers as contractors. It means they don’t have to provide any benefits, and they don’t get any protections regular works get, since they aren’t employees. They’re just workers.
It makes sense to billionaires.
That doesn’t sound like are actual parttime workers, but either freelancers or “small business owners” who get hired.
I dislike billionaires just like the next person, but this also exists in other countries where billionaires either don’t exist or don’t gave the impact.
Part of it is because people think it’s better (at least here in NL) because they earn more after taxes, but in the long term it’s more expensive and because it used to be better for businesses. Now we mainly see a lot of people who wish to work like that.
They’re just trying to cope with the situation by playing games with statistics. You’re absolutely right though, non-voters don’t matter and there’s no point in talking about them as much as we do.
100 million people being armed with guns matter. Their families will die if they fight for or against another.
“I didn’t vote” doesn’t protect your family from bullets, it makes them fodder for both sides. (I think the Democrats are shit, but by no means would I ever think ANY Republican has been better than the average Democrat
Those non-voters matter a lot because Trump is acting like he has some kind of enormous overwhelming mandate, and there is no evidence to back that up.
Trump is acting like Trump. Talk of a ‘mandate’ is piffle, like almost anything he says.
People that didn’t vote also supported him
Life’s more complicated then that, try not to alienate the people that need convincing.
Life’s more complicated
thenthan that ; try not to alienate the people that need convincing.Also, in many states, the Republicans insist on making voting more difficult, especially for certain people.
We should have vote by mail, everywhere, with ballots sent out well in advance. And people should be automatically registered to vote when they get something like a driver’s license.
No, they have blood on their hands too. Sure they aren’t covered in it like MAGA Carrie, but they didn’t take 30 minutes out of their day to vote to stop this.
I would add one big caveat to that: voter suppression. Voting day isn’t a holiday, many MANY people have to work, and between Republicans doing all they can to make mail-in ballots inaccessible and closing polling stations to the point where people are standing out in the heat for upwards of 4 hours to get into a place to vote, let alone purging voting rolls so close to the election that there wasn’t enough time for people to register again (and nonsense voter ID requirements), I can’t blame some people for outright not having the ability to vote.
Anybody who had the ability to and chose not to? Yeah, blood is on their hands. The time to push for the changes that everybody wants is not 3 months once every 4 years, but the time leading up to those 3 months.
Voting isn’t a holiday in Canada either but we make it work. Vote early, vote by mail. You can use whatever excuse makes you feel better but taking an hour or 2 out of your day once every 4 years is a small price to pay for democracy.
To be fair, you guys have a parliamentary system. It’s a bit different, and you don’t have any one election that’s equal in scale and importance to our Presidential election.
Not making excuses, just saying that it’s not a 1:1 comparison.
I don’t really understand what your point is. Do you mean our election campaigns don’t last 4 years? Y’all could plan to book voting day off 20 years in advance because it’s not a surprise, ours can pop up any time with a month’s notice. And by importance do you mean our PM generally doesn’t have the power to crater the world economy in a matter of days? Or are you saying ours are more important because we vote for the entire government on 1 day and you just pick one guy?
Nah, that’s a shit take. If you didn’t vote, you’re at least okay with the prospect of another Trump presidency, or you didn’t care enough to vote against him. You’re complicit either way.
Hard disagree. Those who didn’t vote said exactly what they stood for. Dems had the power, and completely ignored it and didn’t get voted in as a result.
If you’re blaming non-voters you’re just causing unnecessary division amongst the left. The US has been fascist for a long time. And everything happening has been a long time coming. Trump is a symptom, not the cause.
I don’t know - in some parts of America, getting out and voting is made more difficult. On purpose.
We all saw that voting by mail can work during Covid. The qons want to claw that back.
Those who could vote but chose not to are at the same level, they actively chose to not participate, which means they at best aggree with whatever is happening. At least trump cult is way out there mentally, and there is no more humanity in those creatures, so they couldn’t do otherwise. Non-participators had something in them to prevent the worst, but they chose not to. That’s agency, that’s responsibility.
As an American that didn’t vote for this clusterfuck, I totally support this. Apparently we need our allies, who we are trying to alienate, to stand up for us.
Just for people who don’t know, this never happens. Hockey fans tend to be respectful during other country’s anthems
Yes. See the link in the original post that includes a Canadian hockey audience finishing the US national anthem when the PA system went out.
Hockey fans booing another team’s anthem is not done.
I don’t think non-Canadians know how angry we have to be to boo a national anthem. We’d cheer for the North Korean anthem if they sent a hockey team for us to play against.
I don’t think you know how embarrassed Americans, who didn’t vote for this twit, are about how he is treating our closest and most important ally.
I’m one of those embarrassed Americans who voted against this. Canadians have every right to be angry.
I won’t give a pass to americans just because they didn’t vote for him. There’s a lot of americans who just didn’t vote, period. Anyone who didn’t actively cast a ballot in opposition to that fuck stain of a president is just a guilty of him being there as the ones who did vote for him. Considering only 152,320,193 people voted in the 2024 US election from a population or 340,110,988, where 268,687,680 of them are over 18, that leaves roughly some 100 million people who could have voted against this but chose not to. More people just didn’t vote than voted for either the Democrats or republicans. As far as I’m concerned, those people really didn’t care if a fascist government was elected and really don’t care about anyone but themselves. So I won’t accept apologies from americans trying to wash their hand of this. Their government has threatened Canada’s sovereignty, has thrown the first attack, and I blame every single american person that voted for trump, or couldn’t be bothered to go out and vote against him, whatever their reason may be.
As the great Canadian band Rush once sang: “If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.”
They don’t get to wash their hands of the fascist government just because they chose to ignore the problem rather than cast a vote. They decided the prospect of fascism was just as bad as having a black woman as president.
IMHO Embarrassing doesn’t even begin to describe the situation.
Maybe it’s just me, but I assume they’re talking about Americans who didn’t vote for Trump here, not folks who didn’t vote.
And if they are an American using Lemmy it’s probable that they did vote, and didn’t vote for Trump. If they were lazy they would be using Reddit.
Only 31.8% of Americans voted for him. The plurality winner was “didn’t vote.”
The video description says something entirely different than the title.
November 18, 2014, leafs vs nashville predators. The mic cut out partway through the us national anthem and the Canadian fans took it from there!
Yes. The video is an example of how hockey fans generally react to the national anthem of their rivals. Booing the national anthem is not done. It shows the extreme contrast between the respect that fans normally give and the atypical reaction of the fans following the ridiculous and self-destructive Trump tariffs.
Sorry you missed that.
Ohhh I see, I thought it was a source link, but it was a comparison link. Thanks for clarifying!
No worries, eh! May you come out on the other side of this insanity better than going into it. Until then, can you help a bro out and change the laws to let descendants of Canadians claim citizenship?
Life in Canada is about to get so insanely difficult that you might want to reconsider this plan
As an American, this warms my heart. I’d do the same if I wasn’t worried about being violently assaulted for doing so.
Thank you Canada. We deserve it.
We deserve it.
Good, if America won’t stand for Freedom, than we cannot stand for America, none of us can.
We didn’t even really like Americans BEFORE the tariffs. I wonder, do Americans realize how every other country sees them? Not just the government, but how we see the citizens?
Why do you think we call ourselves Canadians when we travel?
I hate that you guys do that.
I’ve actually not done that, but it’s such a cliche at this point that I wonder if some foreigners that buy it either have complete misimpressions of Canadians, or think that either there are more Canadians than Americans or that they just travel a heck of a lot more… 🤣
In any case, given the loud and abrasive, slobby and entitled Karen behavior of so many Americans, can you blame other Americans for not wanting to be associated with that kind of person when they travel?
I sure as hell don’t. You should probably be flattered, honestly.
No, because much more of you act like that than you realize. Most of you are not the “one of the good ones” you think you are, and then people abroad associate that behaviour with Canadians.
Yeah Americans act distinctly American. Super lame to smear Canadians by pretending to be one. We are not the same. I’m well traveled and anywhere I go it’s painfully obvious who the Americans are. Even smart ones are brainwashed into thinking the US is the center of the world and it shows in all of their mannerisms
Like half of America voted for Trump. We are not the same people
No. Americans primarily consume American media. Foreign media and news is socialist commie propaganda, or something.
fucking save us we’d do the same for you :c
We can’t. We’re way too small. There are only marginally more Canadians than there are Californians spread out over a country 1.6% larger than the entire US.
We’re gunna try to land some lawsuits against the administration and accept refugees from the States like we did last time but it’s unfortunately asking a mouse to take on a cat.
Good.
