Well it’s going to put a damper on my Ansible “coding”.
You think I want to properly learn that piece of junk? It was obsolete and archaic before it was released, and it survives on naivete and churn cost and nothing else. There is no part of my time doing yaml for Ansible that I want to actually retain or build on, and without chatGPT to slop-in the changes I need to make, I may be forced to do it myself. And I lack the crayons now and alcohol for after.
Actually subjecting my brain to Ansible directly in real-time is a horror. It is just so fucking lame compared to everything else – it even pales compared to the DevOps we were doing in 2002 before it was even called that. Let my have my robots to slop the Ansible and save my sanity !
Because whitespace sensitivity makes it very easy to make a whole bunch of annoying mistakes when shuffling code around, or copying it from one source to another (from text in one application to the editor in your ide for example). I find it supremely unpleasant to work with. Looking kinda a little bit slightly messed up should not be a critical syntax error that breaks the whole code.
I agree. I think ansible is great in principle, but the documentation is severely lacking. Like it’ll tell you to set a value, but not whether it’s supposed to be in yaml, environment, or something else. And if it’s in yaml, it doesn’t tell you the required context to make it valid. But when someone has taken all the documentation, all the tutorials, the articles, the example code, working code, and stack overflow answers and put them all into a blender, often a useful answer comes out.
No they didn’t and they still don’t really do that.
There are too many things (nowadays?) where you have to literally write a question on reddit, stack overflow or Lemmy or the likes and explain your situation in minute detail, because what you find online through search engines is only the standard case which just so happens to not work for you for some odd reason.
Believe me, when I say that, because I always try search engines first, second and third, before even thinking of using some bs-spitting AI, but it really helped me with two very special problems in the last month.
what you find online through search engines is only the standard case which just so happens to not work for you for some odd reason
Usually because the highest-rated solution is half-assed bullshit proposed by an overconfident newbie (or an LLM regurgitating it). I mainly use Stack Overflow as a way to become pissed off enough that I’ll go solve the problem myself, like I should have done in the first place. Indignation As A Service.
This is also in part true.
Today I was searching for multiple things regarding jinja2 and was always recommended a site that no longer exists, as top result, mind you.
Search engines haven’t worked reliably for several years now, the top results for almost any search are from social media pages that you can’t even read without an account. The Internet is broken.
This is a bad faith argument.
Search engines are notoriously bad to find rare specialized information and usually return empty search results for too specific requests. Moreover you need the exact keywords while LLMs use embeddings to find similar meanings
And LLM’s aren’t gamed? Like Grok constantly being tweaked to not say anything inconvenient about Musk? Or ChatGPT citing absurd Reddit posts deliberately made by users to make AI responses wrong?
AI is built from the ground up to do what they want, and they’re no better than those crappy info-scraper sites like wearethewindoezproz dot com that scrape basic info off every other site and offer it as a solution to your problem with [SOLVED] in the result title. “Did you turn it off and on again?”
Its not a search engine, its a data digester. Dont use it as a search engine. Despite what alphabet, micro-shit, and DDG think, AI chatbots do not now, nor will they ever make good search engines.
This is a prime example of why access to these tools should be restricted to computer scientists and research labs. The average person doesn’t know how to use them effectively (resulting in enormous power wasted by ‘prompt engineering’), and the standard available models aren’t good at digesting non-linguistic data.
I’m not gonna downvote you, or be like all “AI is the devil and its gonna kill us all” but people need to use it correctly or we ARE going to kill ourselves with its waste heat.
This is primarily because search engines have become so unreliable and enshittified that they are useless. It’s not a mark in favor of AI as much as a reminder of how bad search engines have become.
For the record I do the same thing after failing to find anything on DuckDuckGo after multiple attempts. Maybe I should give Kagi a try, but AI is making the entire internet worse, so I feel pessimistic about that, too.
why did you say use it to do coding, when you are not a programmer but a speech pathlogist, you seemed pretty deficient in that area if i might add if you are wholely dependent on chat gpt
Account age 19 hours and already behaving like an ass. Congratulations and welcome to Lemmy, a place with actual communities where you can expect to be blocked if you carry on like that. Please learn to treat people better!
Oh I get that, being AuDHD I got issues with different kinds of addiction, right now I just eat a lot and smoke a lot of weed.
Hope you finish recovering soon but I’m gonna be honest with you, drugs are not the only thing you can be addicted to and delegating research/tasks to a LLM can be addicting
And nothing of value was lost.
Well it’s going to put a damper on my Ansible “coding”.
You think I want to properly learn that piece of junk? It was obsolete and archaic before it was released, and it survives on naivete and churn cost and nothing else. There is no part of my time doing yaml for Ansible that I want to actually retain or build on, and without chatGPT to slop-in the changes I need to make, I may be forced to do it myself. And I lack the crayons now and alcohol for after.
Actually subjecting my brain to Ansible directly in real-time is a horror. It is just so fucking lame compared to everything else – it even pales compared to the DevOps we were doing in 2002 before it was even called that. Let my have my robots to slop the Ansible and save my sanity !
Ok, yaml is fair game for a LLM. Whitespace sensitive language should die in a fire, markup or otherwise.
Why do you say that?
Because whitespace sensitivity makes it very easy to make a whole bunch of annoying mistakes when shuffling code around, or copying it from one source to another (from text in one application to the editor in your ide for example). I find it supremely unpleasant to work with. Looking kinda a little bit slightly messed up should not be a critical syntax error that breaks the whole code.
Hahahah scripting in my HA atm, feeling this so hard.
I agree. I think ansible is great in principle, but the documentation is severely lacking. Like it’ll tell you to set a value, but not whether it’s supposed to be in yaml, environment, or something else. And if it’s in yaml, it doesn’t tell you the required context to make it valid. But when someone has taken all the documentation, all the tutorials, the articles, the example code, working code, and stack overflow answers and put them all into a blender, often a useful answer comes out.
You were a liability
It works wonderfully well as a search engine, when I have to find obscure specialized info. Can always criss check once I have a idea.
Regular search engines did that 20 years ago, without blowing out the power grid.
Ah, but you see, they don’t do it now.
No they didn’t and they still don’t really do that.
There are too many things (nowadays?) where you have to literally write a question on reddit, stack overflow or Lemmy or the likes and explain your situation in minute detail, because what you find online through search engines is only the standard case which just so happens to not work for you for some odd reason.
Believe me, when I say that, because I always try search engines first, second and third, before even thinking of using some bs-spitting AI, but it really helped me with two very special problems in the last month.
Usually because the highest-rated solution is half-assed bullshit proposed by an overconfident newbie (or an LLM regurgitating it). I mainly use Stack Overflow as a way to become pissed off enough that I’ll go solve the problem myself, like I should have done in the first place. Indignation As A Service.
This is also in part true.
Today I was searching for multiple things regarding jinja2 and was always recommended a site that no longer exists, as top result, mind you.
Search engines haven’t worked reliably for several years now, the top results for almost any search are from social media pages that you can’t even read without an account. The Internet is broken.
Yeah, most of that is on purpose. They fucked the search engines.
This is a bad faith argument. Search engines are notoriously bad to find rare specialized information and usually return empty search results for too specific requests. Moreover you need the exact keywords while LLMs use embeddings to find similar meanings
Yeah then people.learned how to game it and its shit now. Pointing how something worked 20 years ago does shit all for how it works now
Speak of the devil. Just a few stories down
https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/835839/google-discover-ai-headlines-clickbait-nonsense
And LLM’s aren’t gamed? Like Grok constantly being tweaked to not say anything inconvenient about Musk? Or ChatGPT citing absurd Reddit posts deliberately made by users to make AI responses wrong?
AI is built from the ground up to do what they want, and they’re no better than those crappy info-scraper sites like wearethewindoezproz dot com that scrape basic info off every other site and offer it as a solution to your problem with [SOLVED] in the result title. “Did you turn it off and on again?”
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And now we have something better. I’m all for a better grid running on renewables though, which is the actual problem.
Because companies destroyed actual search engines in the race for billions of dollars.
Kagi, searx are fricken awesome and much like the web in mid 2000s before corporations destroyed it.
Its not a search engine, its a data digester. Dont use it as a search engine. Despite what alphabet, micro-shit, and DDG think, AI chatbots do not now, nor will they ever make good search engines.
This is a prime example of why access to these tools should be restricted to computer scientists and research labs. The average person doesn’t know how to use them effectively (resulting in enormous power wasted by ‘prompt engineering’), and the standard available models aren’t good at digesting non-linguistic data.
I’m not gonna downvote you, or be like all “AI is the devil and its gonna kill us all” but people need to use it correctly or we ARE going to kill ourselves with its waste heat.
Edit: ficksed an werd
This is primarily because search engines have become so unreliable and enshittified that they are useless. It’s not a mark in favor of AI as much as a reminder of how bad search engines have become.
For the record I do the same thing after failing to find anything on DuckDuckGo after multiple attempts. Maybe I should give Kagi a try, but AI is making the entire internet worse, so I feel pessimistic about that, too.
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What’s it like working in a field where you are completely incompetent?
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why did you say use it to do coding, when you are not a programmer but a speech pathlogist, you seemed pretty deficient in that area if i might add if you are wholely dependent on chat gpt
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Welcome to Lemmy, where everything is wrongthink.
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Bright side of Lemmy, you can say fuck. Downsides include, death of nuance, dogpiling, herd behavior and people who try to take down others.
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If this your best, I can see why you’re banned on Reddit. This is the one time where their algorithms are right.
You’re a toxic person and are completely oblivious to it.
You need to go move into mommy’s basement until you’ve learned how to play nice with others.
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What’s it like being an amateur that is so clueless you actually think you have any capacity to analyze what is good, better, best for coding?
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You might be hindering yourself.
Developers took 19% longer to finish tasks using AI tools - https://www.techspot.com/news/108651-experienced-developers-working-ai-tools-take-longer-complete.html
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I’m not even into tech whatsoever, and find you insufferable.
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Account age 19 hours and already behaving like an ass. Congratulations and welcome to Lemmy, a place with actual communities where you can expect to be blocked if you carry on like that. Please learn to treat people better!
how’s that LLM-induced psychosis going?
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Oh I get that, being AuDHD I got issues with different kinds of addiction, right now I just eat a lot and smoke a lot of weed.
Hope you finish recovering soon but I’m gonna be honest with you, drugs are not the only thing you can be addicted to and delegating research/tasks to a LLM can be addicting
That’s hilarious. Everyone thinks they’re some kind of savant while using LLMs. The reality is quite different
AI is a useful tool, but people who misuse it, primarily due to overreliance, end up creating more work than AI is solving
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