Summary
Trump is nullifying federal employee union contracts negotiated in Biden’s final days.
Affected contracts include one with the Education Department ratified just before his inauguration. Trump cited a 2010 Supreme Court decision to justify his stance but did not provide a clear legal basis.
Federal employee unions, representing 800,000 workers, vowed legal action, calling Trump’s move unlawful intimidation.
This continues Trump’s prior efforts to weaken job protections, with additional plans to reclassify and lay off civil servants.
I plan to throw trumps face on the ground
Seriously…how long before someone finds a way to put one in his brain pan? Every day he pisses a new group off…it’s gotta happen sooner or later.
All I have to say, and I said it on that day of the RNC, but fuck that union guy for actually thinking the GOP gave 2 shots about unions after generations of fighting like Hell to gut them. Also fuck him for not endorsing the candidate who, while not necessarily a friend of unions, certainly wouldn’t have been actively working against them.
Also fuck him for not endorsing the candidate who, while not necessarily a friend of unions, certainly wouldn’t have been actively working against them.
Biden, however, was actively working against the union workers… And Harris said she would have done the same thing.
It goes back to while Trump was lying about intent to solve the problems, he at least stated publicly the problems were real.
And it goes back to Dems thinking people owe them their votes, rather than working hard to earn the votes.
Yes and to further compound the DNC fucking up messaging the vote is suppressed in the US and population center votes count for less than rural ones.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC42HgLA4k
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/14/politics/restrictive-voting-laws-brennan-report/index.html
https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/block-the-vote-voter-suppression-in-2020
I mean I can understand him not wanting to endorse Kamala when she directly told him we can win with or without you. That doesn’t exactly sound like the kind of person you would want to endorse if they don’t even seem to really care about you or the people you represent. But yeah endorsing Trump was a stupid move, he really should have just not endorsed either of them.
I thought Harris’ tone-deaf moment was in response to him deciding not to endorse a candidate rather than the other way around. Maybe I’m confusing union bosses, but I didn’t think the guy who spoke at the RNC endorsed either ticket in the end.
You’re right there after looking into it, he didn’t endorse either but he did speak at the RNC which for a lot of people looked like an endorsement but is a little different. The quote of we can win with or without you was from a meeting the teamster’s president had with Kamala. Even if it was in response to him speaking at the RNC or showing some support to Trump that’s definitely not how you get someone to back you and in my opinion shows the attitude the Dems had to a lot of people this cycle. This idea of either you vote for us or we’ll win without you cause you have no other good choice. That attitude is not one that makes people excited to go out and stand in a 3 hour line to vote for you in a swing state. And if they keep relying on this you either vote for us or you get stuck with the bad option of Trump they’re only gonna win whenever Trump is in office and actively doing really really bad things.
At least in hindsight, it proves her wrong and that they can’t win without the unions?
So like, maybe the DNC will be self-aware enough to reflect upon this and pivot back towards more progressive, worker-friendly policies rather than the neo-liberal garbage they’ve been espousing for the better part of the 2000s?
I almost burst out laughing at the absurdity of the above, but in the words of Jim Carey’s character from Dumb and Dumber: “So you’re saying there’s a chance?”
Yeah that would be nice but the only way I see that happening is if a Bernie like politician manages to win the primary and the election and reshapes the party like what Trump did. But reshaping it in that way is gonna face a lot more pushback from donors than compared to what Trump did. So there’s always a chance but it feels pretty unlikely without changes to election and campaign finance laws.
Finance laws, especially those related to the Citizens United case, are a massive hurdle.
Until the Supreme Court can be reigned back to sanity - things will likely remain terrible, as a majority will be needed there to re-rule on Citizens United - along with Roe, restoring the Voting Rights Act and a whole heap of others!
Just listing out those three made me physically ill; don’t let anyone who voted GOP, voted 3rd party, or refused to vote off the hook. They are all equally culpable for the slow death of democracy in the US. They are the ones that granted Trump THREE Supreme Court nominations in one term, and who knows how many more. The man is on track to likely appoint a MAJORITY to that court BY HIMSELF.
He could very well declare himself King at that point, and the court would likely rubber stamp it.
voted 3rd party, or refused to vote off the hook. They are all equally culpable for the slow death of democracy in the US.
And what exactly are you going suggesting to do to them? None of those groups like or respect you, and you’ve already been trying to browbeat and belittle them into submission for a decade, which has only alienated them more.
It’s not brow-beating anymore, to point out cause-and-effect; and honestly I couldn’t give fewer shits about what these people thought of me if I had chronic constipation.
Y’all fucked around, now you get to find out the hard way. The world won’t magically become a utopia by refusing to fight, and you won’t be spared when your time comes.
I’ll happily sit back and watch from my still (largely) functioning democracy the next ‘Fall of Rome’.
The world won’t magically become a utopia by refusing to fight, and you won’t be spared when your time comes.
The world wont magically become utopia, or even better, by supporting evil, no matter what.
So the answer to my question is you’re going to continue to do what you’ve been doing for a decade: browbeating and condescending to them. Want to talk about cause and effect? You don’t care about what they think of you, you’re not interested in trying to court them, you’re eager to continue alienating them. What effect are you trying to cause?
Y’all fucked around, now you get to find out
Two questions. One: why do you BlueMAGA liberals always talk like the most terminal reddit addicts? And two, what do you mean “y’all”? I’m not American, I don’t get to vote for which was criminal is going to bomb my family.
maybe the DNC will be self-aware
Lol
Yup, pretty much!
Unions have a long and violent history of not wanting to be fucked with, we’ll see how well this plays out for the orange Cunt
For those that would like to read up on the subject
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_violence_in_the_United_States
These are a bunch of civil servants, not tradespeople. Trade unions are the ones you don’t fuck with.
Piss enough people off and it don’t matter the flavor of union
I suspect trades unions might join with them in solidarity. The civil servants would have to put themselves on the line, but I think they would have support.
The fuck? Shawn Fain supports tariffs?!?
Dude what the fuck is happening?
Well the context is, he supports tariffs that protect American factory jobs. He supports investing in worker protections and domestic factories. He’s basically saying that when American factories exist for a product, products made elsewhere with cheaper foreign labor should have tariffs on them to raise the price of those foreign goods to protect domestic workers. That is actually a reasonable position.
What is not a reasonable position is imposing tariffs when we have no domestic production while simultaneously destroying American worker protections to ensure that we continue to have no domestic production and that workers have even less than they did before.
Yeah. That first bit is competition law essentially, the guy seems to get a bit confused though. Trump might speak to the little guy, but he’s not speaking to defend them.
I know why people support (or claim to support) tariffs. I just thought Shawn Fain was smarter than that.
Just a friendly reminder that multiple Roman emperors were killed by bureaucrats.
Not at all, unless you consider the Praetorian Guard “bureaucrats”, which would be a hell of a stretch.
Aurelian and several Eastern Roman emperors beg to differ.
I’ll grant you Aurelian, but equating the Byzantine court to HR department staff is… something. I think the analogue there would be if congress or the Chiefs of Staff were to depose the President.
There were a couple Eastern Roman emperors who got shanked by bureaucrats. Mind uou they didnt reign for long and barely made it into the history books.
Don’t rule out civil servants. One thing that’s great about civil service is plenty of PTO available to hit the range.
I’ve been out shooting, and working on my shooting drills a lot over the past month. Also been introducing more people to firearms, and hosting some first aid classes (Stop the Bleed and CPR). What have you been doing over the past month?
Ignore contracts you don’t like, 100% on brand
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Get up and get to it folks. Get sabotage manuals etc while you can, and try to do so using Tor.
I don’t think that is how contacts work.
It is if you own the courts.
It is for Trump. He routinely ignores contractually responsibilities on his part.
Throw out the Union contact? Then union members need to… go on strike. That’s the power they have, and the only reason we’ve been able to get some worker protections.
According to US history and labor unrest, the police will side with politicians and wealthy. I wonder how many workers will continue to wave around the thin blue line flags after they get asses kicked.
If 800,000 government workers go on strike just for starters, with who knows how many more in other fields striking in solidarity, there won’t be enough cops in the world to make them all to back to work.
That’s also pretty damn close to what Trump genuinely wants - for everyone currently doing the work to quit. That way he can install lackeys across the board.
Strikes normally work because the other side wants something - usually the business owner wants labor to create a product. That isn’t the case here.
I’m not saying it’s pointless, but the classic strategies will need to be rethought.
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Sympathy strikes are illegal in the US. Not saying wildcat strikes wouldn’t be justified, but there is a deliberate policy to undermine this type of broader solidarity.
and why the fuck should we care about legality, in what way is legality equivilent to morality. If we let the law justify what is moral, then any time something works for labor, they can just make it illegal and therefor immoral
Federal workers are usually barred from striking by law, see Reagan and the ATC union of any police union.
So… it’s illegal because of how impactful it can be. Kind of my point! I realize it’s infinitely easier for me to advocate striking as a negotiating tactic since I’m personally not risking anything (yet). But at the end of the day, they need workers and it really is that powerful.
Do laws still matter at this point?
Pretty sure Trump is barred from firing them by law… So I guess one side will follow the law and complain about it …
I wonder whether this is his play book:
- Be shitbag to workers
- Force general strike
- Demonize victims who’ve resorted to only leverage to get fair working conditions (back)
I further bet it’s the one translated from Russian.
It’s time for a general strike
yes, yes it is. now how do we organize 15-30% of the country for meaningful direct action?
Federal union workers will be a good start. The rest will and must follow. Let’s fucking go!
it is a start. fraught with danger, but I would join an organized strike with donations and time to keep union members fed and housed. the us has a history of turning guns on protests. I am… concerned.
After he finishes off the federal employee unions, he will pursue the destruction of the private unions creating 4th World working conditions for the US labor force. For those union members who guzzle down the Orange Kool-Aid, go piss in the wind and you fucked yourselves.
I’ve read pieces on how many union members (not leaders) are drinking GOP kool aid and support Trump and trumpy stuff.
In other words, everything is propaganda, and everything is screwed :(
Indeed, there are plenty of chauvinists, racist and 2A freaks in the unions that fail to realize they are placing their careers in jeopardy.
