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  • Did you read your sources? They don’t say what you think they do.

    • From the AP article you linked:

    Of more than 300 arrested, there are about 286 defendants ___ Some of those facing charges undoubtedly share far-left and anti-government views. Far-right protesters also have been arrested and charged. ___ But many have had no previous run-ins with the law and no apparent ties to antifa, the umbrella term for leftist militant groups that Trump has said he wants to declare a terrorist organization.

    In the classic misguided “journalistic neutrality” it does put additional emphasis on the 6 instances of “far-right extremism” a incidence rate of 2.1%. Do you believe that 2.1% is a majority?

    • From the guardian article:

    Hunter would later post multiple messages on Facebook bragging of his actions in Minneapolis on the night of 28 May and morning of 29 May, writing, “I set fire to that precinct with the Black community,” and, “My mom would call the FBI if she knew.”

    “I’ve burned police stations with Black Panthers in Minneapolis,” he claimed in one message, and in another, “The BLM protesters in Minneapolis loved me.”

    He wasn’t a lone actor trying to pin it on them, he was participating in an action with them.

    • From the KansasCity article:

    While Kansas City police haven’t made any arrests in the May 30 arson incident and say they haven’t seen direct evidence of extremists trying to disrupt the local protests,

    Tere are so many agendas at play that it’s hard to tell who’s on what side. In some cases, they say they’re seeing a bizarre alignment between those on the far right, such as militias and the Boogalooers, and Black Lives Matter advocates protesting the death of George Floyd, with anger at police and the government being the common thread.

    Which if you stopped to read for a second you would understand why the boogaloo boys specifically had real skin in the game with the protests against police brutality and why they wear Hawaiian shirts bearing the names of people killed in confrontations with police.

    READ BEYOND THE GODDAMN HEADLINES


  • If your point is just that agent provocateurs are not in the same vein as little green men then we are in agreement.

    most of the people there engaging in violence would be conspirators regardless of why they were there.

    The distinction I’m making is the “secret/secretly” part of the definition. A protest is not meant to be secret, infiltrating one is.

    naive defense of police

    Why do you perceive combatting the myth of ‘police as tactical geniuses who are highly adept at infiltrations’ as defense of police?

    My argument is simply that an individual demonstrating agency in a stressfull moment seems far more likely than an elaborate 5d chess tactical trap set by police. Do you believe that during a protest, individual agency no longer exists?





  • I said I didn’t think that, and it’s obviously possible and now you’re upset that I used the word “possible”

    Not upset, and I do think I misread your list of reasons for why someone would be a ‘violent protester’ as an exhaustive list when you did not mean it as such. My point about priors still stands but you are correct that it is mostly directed at badbytes. What were you trying to communicate with your first comment if not re-enforcing badbytes message?

    in this context, trouble is a word used and understood by native English speakers to mean “undirected violence and destruction perpetrated for it’s own sake”

    I appreciate this, however this definition runs opposite to your usage above about how police/accelerationists “came to the protest to cause trouble”. Your usage there was to communicate “directed violence perpetrated for political sake”.

    The word “violence” is a bit murky here and I’m not sure I agree on it’s inclusion in the definition of “trouble” however with how obstruction and vandalism are considered “violent” by police I stand by the statement that:

    The point of a protest is to cause “directed violence perpetrated for political sake”.